Good luck with that question (grin) unless the Logan Martin long liners arent as tight lipped as the Big G ones are !!!! Been trying to figure out not as much as when but where to pull in the Fall, my bud and i figured a lot out the last year and pretty confident for what to do from Jan till the end of sept but now with the temp change and movement of the bait we aint doing no better than we did last year when we started ,so Fall seems to be the toughest for us. We did manage 9 mostly dinks last weekend on the big G in 12 ft of water .