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Hoosier Crappie
10-08-2013, 01:00 AM
For some time there have been many creative projects & exciting ideas posted by our CdC members. Some of these neat posts have helped our collective fishing- either in organization, design/fabrication/modification, creativity/idea stimulation, replication, or in other ways. Something that may be good for members... is adding a forum to post/share their creative projects, unique ways/methods of doing fishing related things, homemade designs, DIY ideas, fabrication/modifications, etc. Kind of like an instructables forum for Crappie fishing.

In this forum could be: ideas, questions, diagrams/plans (early ones open for discussion/suggestions, in-process ones, ones that worked, modified plans, and plans that didn’t work & why they didn’t), before and after pics, videos, links, etc. Some of the “things” could be: fishing lights, minnow trap designs, DIY crappie nibbles, bait storage ideas, raising your own baits, how to make a seine/throw net, PVC fabrication (for storage, structure, boating, gigging, anchoring systems, etc.), battery tips/set up, boat/trailer modification, marker buoy, automating manual items & processes, drift socks, throw net devices, boat lighting, homemade scents & attractants, fish cleaning stations, chumming, recovering boat upholstery & carpet, rod repair, jug fishing/noodle designs, upcycling for fishing & boating, fish cleaning devices, easy ways to care/store/modify equipment, how to make your own rigs/baits & equipment, how to clean/repair reels, trot lines, DIY aerators, and many many more creative subjects of interest to CdC members.

Currently there are projects posted in various CdC forums. Using the CdC search features, these can be found- yet so many posts have to be read and to be searched through before finding the right one due to many keyword matches. If these can be found in a single forum, the search process is simplified.

After presenting this to Slab, he thinks it’s a good idea. He has two concerns: 1) that it’ll get used & 2) how to organize it with other existing forums like structure and lure making and boats,motors,trailers. (Since these forums exist, they might be placed subordinate to this broader forum like sub-folders.)

What do you think?

"G"
10-08-2013, 07:19 AM
When you get too many forums it sometimes confuses the members and things get posted in the wrong forums. It takes time for the mods to move these. Some will get overlooked and never moved which ads to the problem of haveing to search for them. So while it may be a good thing it could also be a bad thing. Lot to think about. A lot of the subjects that you mention are already covered in other forums now.

Woodworker42
10-08-2013, 09:47 AM
I am not one of the admins of this board but will weigh in anyways! I LOVE this board and all the info it has given me. And, I agree with "G"'s comments. However the proposed forum seems to me could be very useful. Several times I have stumbled onto an idea that was useful/interesting at some unexpected location. i love seeing folks solutions/inventions to situations.:twocents

Slab
10-08-2013, 10:25 AM
Couple things:

It can always be a sub forum of an existing one.

Or we can simply rename a current forum that is similar and add DIY to the title.

Additionally, we do have an archive forum for real good threads "we don't want to loose", good ideas where ever they are at could simply be copied there. Yes, copied so it would still remain where it was originally posted.

Another idea might be to have a new DIY forum, and put a bunch of the existing forums under it since there are many topic specific DIY forums already. This option might help to organize things.

And finally, we can do nothing, and where a DIY project did not fit into a current category it could just be posted on the main forum. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe even add the term "DIY" to the title of threads like this no matter what forum they get posted in.


I truly thank HC and everyone else for their feedback in helping to make the site better and better. It's the only way to fly! lol

yankee doodler
10-08-2013, 10:37 AM
Another idea might be to have a new DIY forum, and put a bunch of the existing forums under it since there are many topic specific DIY forums already. This option might help to organize things.



I like this idea if anything is done...just my :twocents

"G"
10-08-2013, 11:09 AM
[QUOTE=Hoosier Crappie;2461347]
Currently there are projects posted in various CdC forums. Using the CdC search features, these can be found- yet so many posts have to be read and to be searched through before finding the right one due to many keyword matches. If these can be found in a single forum, the search process is simplified.


QUOTE]

A lot of the time if I have a hard time using the sites forum search function trying to find something.....its because I am searching the wrong forum. And I have also googled what I was looking for at times and sure enough....would be a link back to C.C for it. Now matter what you do add another forum or whatever....if you are looking for some specific thing you are going to have to hunt awhile to find it. Just seems the least amount of confusion the better all the way around. Many of the topics that you listed already have their own forum or exist in one.

Scrapper
10-08-2013, 11:34 AM
I love the idea but agree with "G" that it can cause confusion at times. It does take time to move stuff also. Although doing a DIY sub forum under forums that do not already have something similar wouldn't be bad. I read a thread in the Arkansas forum about a DIY boat rigging. Fella did an AWSOME job. He built some really trick stuff and has ALOT of pics of this progress. Would be nice to put it under one of the main forums so others can see it. That would fit into the DIY arena like you are describing. But then like with lures...these will more than likely be under the jig tying forum which is DIY already. Great idea but I guess its like Agrihawg used to get onto me about...I LOVE stickys but can go overboard...lol. Most of us visit so frequently that we don't really miss to much.

So its more of a 6 one way half a dozen another deal in my opinion...either way we have one of the...if not the best forum on the web. Easy to navigate, great people, LOTS of information...whatever is done will not change that.

earl 1234
10-08-2013, 05:46 PM
I would love to see a DIY section . If you label it DIY , I , for one won't be too confused .

Hoosier Crappie
10-09-2013, 04:32 AM
When you get too many forums it sometimes confuses the members and things get posted in the wrong forums. Yes, it’s possible- we all can become confused, but how is this forum seen as something that is obviously confusing or intentionally confusing for our members? (especially considering the possible subordination of the 3 mentioned forums) Don’t under-estimate- our members are no simpletons. It takes time for the mods to move these. Some will get overlooked and never moved which ads to the problem of haveing to search for them. Why do you feel obligated to 100% accuracy/thoroughness? Do you ever make a mistake or maybe miss a crappie strike? We’re not perfect & there are things we can do/use to help us. Although we all appreciate your commitment to detail in your volunteer work, please resign your moderator responsibilities to accept less than perfection. What do I mean? If members post in the right place, that’s wonderful & for those that don’t, move what you can to correct forums- the search engine will find what you might miss. In other words, don’t sweat it if you miss a few. Besides, are you and other moderators catching and moving 100% of the posts to appropriate forums now? No, definitely not- and yet CdC remains fine. So while it may be a good thing it could also be a bad thing. How could this be a bad thing? Lot to think about. Really??? How so??? This is pretty simple. Forums are existing features of the website. For some reason you’re sounding reluctant to embrace this. Slab had two concerns- please stick to them (will this DIY forum be used & what to do with the 3 existing forums). A lot of the subjects that you mention are already covered in other forums now. Yes, already addressed this in my post.

[QUOTE=Hoosier Crappie;2461347]
Currently there are projects posted in various CdC forums. Using the CdC search features, these can be found- yet so many posts have to be read and to be searched through before finding the right one due to many keyword matches. If these can be found in a single forum, the search process is simplified.


QUOTE]

A lot of the time if I have a hard time using the sites forum search function trying to find something.....its because I am searching the wrong forum. This is USER ERROR- solved by proper search practices. And I have also googled what I was looking for at times and sure enough....would be a link back to C.C for it. Okay, now I’m confused. What do Google searches have to do with this topic? Now matter what you do add another forum or whatever....if you are looking for some specific thing you are going to have to hunt awhile to find it. No, if things remain the same, you will always “have to hunt awhile to find it”. My suggestion attempts to help this condition. If one forum is properly searched instead of many forums, search results will be equal or (more likely) be less. With less results, there will be less to read and peruse. Just seems the least amount of confusion the better all the way around. Yes, that’s the premise of my suggestion/thoughts. Still I’m wondering what “confusion” you’re speaking??? Is this to do with USER ERROR or your Google searches? Many of the topics that you listed already have their own forum or exist in one. Yes, you stated this before- it’s addressed in my original post (see above) and prior to your second post, Slab posted several options to keep things simple.

“G”, unfortunately I don’t know you (you’re probably a super guy and wicked good crappie angler); otherwise, I may understand your opposition better. After reviewing your comments about it being bad & creating confusion, I feel like it's “twenty reasons why something won’t work” before giving it a fair chance to succeed! LOL (hope I'm wrong)


I would love to see a DIY section . If you label it DIY , I , for one won't be too confused . Thank you! See, we are capable of reading a forum title and not becoming confused. With frequency in practice, many of us should be able to avoid “confusion” and “USER ERROR” in forum searches too. :)

All,

In fair assessment, I'm unable to see it being “BAD” for CdC & causing “CONFUSION” for CdC members. The opposing comments overstate this condition of “confusion” to comedy. Naturally like Slab, I want the best for CdC too. Slab felt good about the suggestion and asked it be posted for feedback, so he could evaluate whether it would be a useful forum and if added, what members thought about doing to the 3 mentioned forums.

Please feel free to post feedback to Slab’s concerns...

"G"
10-09-2013, 06:21 AM
Thank you for your feedback

shipahoy41
10-09-2013, 06:48 AM
Perhaps we should be able to do something our government has not been able to do and that is compromise. I am a tinker and a thinker and love to create stuff to make me a better Crappie fisherman. I suggest the following outline for your considerations. I would also place this near the top of Forum
Crappie Fishing - Crappie.com. Just a thought folks. What the mind of man can conceive and believe, they can achieve.


1) On ForumCrappie Fishing - Crappie.comthere could be a forum called ...............................
ALL THINGS DO IT YOURSELF (If you can dream it you can do it)

2) Sub forums could be

JIG AND FLY TYING (learn to tie a fly and what tools and materials you need).

SOFT PLASTIC BAITS (learn how to make swim baits, tube baits, creature baits using plastic)

HARD BODY BAITS (for those interested in crank baits or jerk baits)

LEADHEADS AND MOLDS (if you are into pouring lead this is for you)

TERMINAL TACKLE (some people love to make their own bobbers or jig rigs)

BOAT RIGGING IDEAS (for mechanically inclined people who want to fix their boat up)

AROUND THE HOUSE (Honey do and garden projects. We all do them just so we can go fishing)

MISCELLANEOUS DIY PROJECTS (ideas, inventions and other just DIY stuff)

Rees Guide
10-09-2013, 07:00 AM
Why worry about moving stuff either, just start the forum and go forward. Most of the time when folks ask for an idea someone will post a link to an old thread that may have covered it.

"G"
10-09-2013, 07:01 AM
Just to clarify......If you read the second post in this thread.......I did not say it would be bad. I said that it could be a good thing and also it could be a bad thing. Meaning that we will not know untill we try it.

T.C.
10-09-2013, 07:43 AM
I think ship has something with his idea.....I think he covered everything.

Cmj
10-09-2013, 08:11 AM
When you get too many forums it sometimes confuses the members and things get posted in the wrong forums. Yes, it’s possible- we all can become confused, but how is this forum seen as something that is obviously confusing or intentionally confusing for our members? (especially considering the possible subordination of the 3 mentioned forums) Don’t under-estimate- our members are no simpletons. It takes time for the mods to move these. Some will get overlooked and never moved which ads to the problem of haveing to search for them. Why do you feel obligated to 100% accuracy/thoroughness? Do you ever make a mistake or maybe miss a crappie strike? We’re not perfect & there are things we can do/use to help us. Although we all appreciate your commitment to detail in your volunteer work, please resign your moderator responsibilities to accept less than perfection. What do I mean? If members post in the right place, that’s wonderful & for those that don’t, move what you can to correct forums- the search engine will find what you might miss. In other words, don’t sweat it if you miss a few. Besides, are you and other moderators catching and moving 100% of the posts to appropriate forums now? No, definitely not- and yet CdC remains fine. So while it may be a good thing it could also be a bad thing. How could this be a bad thing? Lot to think about. Really??? How so??? This is pretty simple. Forums are existing features of the website. For some reason you’re sounding reluctant to embrace this. Slab had two concerns- please stick to them (will this DIY forum be used & what to do with the 3 existing forums). A lot of the subjects that you mention are already covered in other forums now. Yes, already addressed this in my post.

[QUOTE=Hoosier Crappie;2461347]
Currently there are projects posted in various CdC forums. Using the CdC search features, these can be found- yet so many posts have to be read and to be searched through before finding the right one due to many keyword matches. If these can be found in a single forum, the search process is simplified.


QUOTE]

A lot of the time if I have a hard time using the sites forum search function trying to find something.....its because I am searching the wrong forum. This is USER ERROR- solved by proper search practices. And I have also googled what I was looking for at times and sure enough....would be a link back to C.C for it. Okay, now I’m confused. What do Google searches have to do with this topic? Now matter what you do add another forum or whatever....if you are looking for some specific thing you are going to have to hunt awhile to find it. No, if things remain the same, you will always “have to hunt awhile to find it”. My suggestion attempts to help this condition. If one forum is properly searched instead of many forums, search results will be equal or (more likely) be less. With less results, there will be less to read and peruse. Just seems the least amount of confusion the better all the way around. Yes, that’s the premise of my suggestion/thoughts. Still I’m wondering what “confusion” you’re speaking??? Is this to do with USER ERROR or your Google searches? Many of the topics that you listed already have their own forum or exist in one. Yes, you stated this before- it’s addressed in my original post (see above) and prior to your second post, Slab posted several options to keep things simple.

“G”, unfortunately I don’t know you (you’re probably a super guy and wicked good crappie angler); otherwise, I may understand your opposition better. After reviewing your comments about it being bad & creating confusion, I feel like it's “twenty reasons why something won’t work” before giving it a fair chance to succeed! LOL (hope I'm wrong)


I would love to see a DIY section . If you label it DIY , I , for one won't be too confused . Thank you! See, we are capable of reading a forum title and not becoming confused. With frequency in practice, many of us should be able to avoid “confusion” and “USER ERROR” in forum searches too. :)

All,

In fair assessment, I'm unable to see it being “BAD” for CdC & causing “CONFUSION” for CdC members. The opposing comments overstate this condition of “confusion” to comedy. Naturally like Slab, I want the best for CdC too. Slab felt good about the suggestion and asked it be posted for feedback, so he could evaluate whether it would be a useful forum and if added, what members thought about doing to the 3 mentioned forums.

Please feel free to post feedback to Slab’s concerns...

Good thesis, great development of argument, good conclusion. I give it an A.
I say go for it.

"G"
10-09-2013, 08:23 AM
someone was argueing ? not me, merely gave some input

Scrapper
10-09-2013, 08:59 AM
WOW....we have been at this for about 36 hours and have already made it further than congress has in............well........I can't count that high.:scratchhead

Slab
10-09-2013, 11:06 PM
WOW....we have been at this for about 36 hours and have already made it further than congress has in............well........I can't count that high.:scratchhead

Lets not turn this into a political conversation please. I know it'd be easy, especially now.

And also lets consider all comments here as something we are doing to help the site. Lets not get adversarial.

Additional, positive, constructive feedback is more than welcome.

But, I'm distracted right now. Can't absorb everything here yet, I'm on my way to MS Crappie Camp. Stopped by Cane Poles and fishing off a dock today with Billbob. I will bet back on this topic as soon as I can. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and ideas.

Scrapper
10-10-2013, 09:20 AM
Sorry about that Slab. Yes its easy...ecspecially when you listen to talk radio at work all day...lol. Will leave the political comments out.

S10CHEVY
10-10-2013, 10:48 AM
I believe that this is a good idea, especially the way Shipahoy41 presents it. One more suggestion though. The guys who make videos, could they all be put in one forum to view? To me, they are teaching tools for others, in one form or another.

ezgoing
10-10-2013, 11:52 AM
I would love to see a DIY forum. I am capable of using the search forum. However search generally brings up large numbers of threads when the subject is mentioned in one post in the thread.

So you must read all the threads, many of which do not contain enough information to be useful.

If DIY projects were in one thread you could search just that forum. Plus it would not take as long to read the posted threads as it now takes to read the search results.

And yes, I use " " for my search terms but it still brings up too many threads that have marginal interest to the subject for which I am searching.

TigerFanatic1
10-10-2013, 12:35 PM
Sounds like a great idea, as I love to DIY things. Although, most of my projects cost more than just buying the item...:crazy:

ezgoing
10-10-2013, 01:10 PM
Sounds like a great idea, as I love to DIY things. Although, most of my projects cost more than just buying the item...:crazy:

Some of them do, some of them don't. But the ones that do cost more have better quality components than the ones in the market.

I just build a 2' 5050 LED underwater light to use on the boat. It cost me $25 to build but it has 100 5050 green LEDs in it. I could buy a 21" underwater light with a green lamp in it for $25. But it does not provide as much light as the one I built and the store bought one often fails within a few months. So I will need to see if mine lasts longer but I believe it will.

I have just finished building a 175 watt mercury vapor underwater light for my slip. I have $125 in it. It costs almost $400 to buy one. So I saved quite a bit building it myself. I bought a few things that did not work out building this one so I think I could build another one for less than $100.

I have decided to build a 400 watt mercury vapor underwater light for the slip after the first of the year. It will not cost me much more than it cost to build the 175 watt light. But I want a few months to test the 175 watt light before I build a second one for my slip.

Now I will grant that the ones I build are not as "pretty" as the ones you buy but they just as good ones you buy. The portable one will be better if it does not leak over time since the store bought ones have a reported high leakage or failure rate during the first six months of use.

TigerFanatic1
10-10-2013, 03:16 PM
I agree 100%. I'm behind the idea, as stated I love DIY projects with my daughters.

chucktx
10-10-2013, 08:07 PM
I am in as well......love the idea!!

Cane Pole
10-11-2013, 10:53 AM
I get confused????????????

Hanr3
10-15-2013, 08:11 PM
This simpleton likes the idea and is wondering why it hasn't happened yet?


:dono


I am a die hard DIYer. This week I put in a patio in the back yard. Saturday I will be putting in attic stairs at my sons, and then pulling a new circuit for a ceiling fan and switched outside outlets for Christmas lights. Sunday- haul away the paver, block, sand, gravel scrap, extending a drain tile, empting the fire pit, and mowing the yard.
In two weeks I start building kitchen cabinets and by Christmas I will have completely remodeled the kitchen. New cabinets, new ceramic tile floor, and I might even build the counter top.

By time I retire, all the honey do choirs will be done and I'll be on the lake with the grandkids every day.:fish

Slab
10-17-2013, 08:26 AM
I believe that this is a good idea, especially the way Shipahoy41 presents it. One more suggestion though. The guys who make videos, could they all be put in one forum to view? To me, they are teaching tools for others, in one form or another.


OK, after much thought.....

S10Chevy, we have a place for all videos. It's a separate article category and it's a link on the home page Titled "Fishing Videos" (right hand side). There are 14 video's there already. Anytime I see a good video, I try to get it published 1) on the home page as an article, and 2) in that "Fishing Videos" link so it can easily be found. All anyone has to do is PM me with a link to get another added to that category. They need to be Youtube video's though.


OK, RE: the DIY forum idea.

One issue is finding what you want. Everyone needs to realize there are two search functions. The Google Custom Search, and the Advanced Search. This is the best way to quickly find what you are looking for. The Google Custom Search searches all of crappie.com, all forums. It's just like doing this "site:crappie.com insert your search term here....." on the google website. That term "site:crappie.com" added to your search on googles website will do the same for any website. A cool little feature if you did not know it.

This is the easiest way to find anything. And if you are not finding what you want you need, change what you are searching for.

I like the idea of a DIY forum, but the problem is, we already have too many "topics". Many of those topics are already primarily DIY like jig making, structure......

The only way it would work is if we add a DIY sub-forum for each of our current topics and that's just madness. I'd be adding 50 forums. And Ships idea is good, but we would be replicating all the forums we already have underneath it.

So here are my thoughts:

If you have a DIY project, just put DIY in the title and post it in any of the current forums. That can help when searching (just add DIY to your search phrase).

Once a DIY project is done, anyone can PM me, and I can do two things. I can copy it in the Archive forum, and I can also make it a home page article. It'll be placed into two more areas, and will more readily be found. Nothing has been added to the archives since 2012, and I think this is really what you all are looking for, somewhere to find all the cool DIY projects in one place. I'll rename the Archive Forum to "Archives and Completed DIY projects", or something like that.

shipahoy41
10-18-2013, 06:07 AM
Great thoughts Slab. You have the voice of wisdom and experience.

pondhopper
10-18-2013, 07:19 AM
Just make it a sub forum with pouring, painting ,tying and plastics . Should make it easy enough for everybody concerned .

Slab
10-18-2013, 10:47 AM
Just make it a sub forum with pouring, painting ,tying and plastics . Should make it easy enough for everybody concerned .

All those topics are already DIY topics. The term DIY should be included in the title perhaps, but it's kinda implied that it's DIY stuff. Sure not about starting a professional jig making factory.

pondhopper
10-18-2013, 11:15 AM
Well I guess everybody ought to just remember to put do it youself/guz'ni'ta or whatever . Then when you type do it yourself the search will bring up the topics . I assume cause I'm pretty much computer challenged . Best I just be Quiet. LOL

Spoonminnow
10-19-2013, 08:12 AM
Could label it General Tips with no subcategories. Innovation comes in all forms and includes how to improve on something commonly used or valued by anglers and others. I have posted tips on another site that have been well received and a contest, once a month, is held for the most voted for tip. Some of my tips included jig organizing, using florescent tape to find things easier (I'm always misplacing pliers and file), using the same tape to make marker buoys more visible, using silicone spray to condition line, how to keep your sleeves dry in cold weather, making hook guards, organizing jigs, etc.

Slab
10-19-2013, 08:28 AM
Could label it General Tips with no subcategories. Innovation comes in all forms and includes how to improve on something commonly used or valued by anglers and others. I have posted tips on another site that have been well received and a contest, once a month, is held for the most voted for tip. Some of my tips included jig organizing, using florescent tape to find things easier (I'm always misplacing pliers and file), using the same tape to make marker buoys more visible, using silicone spray to condition line, how to keep your sleeves dry in cold weather, making hook guards, organizing jigs, etc.

I really like this idea as a contest. I will add a contest exactly like this the next opportunity I get.

Don't forget, any tip or thread can be added to the "Archives, things we want to keep" forum at any time. Just PM me with the threads URL. We need some more stuff in there anyway.

If the Tips contest goes over well, maybe that'll be a sign that we need a forum for "General Tips". I think we'd have to be a little more specific though, "General Tips" could be understood as general tips on how to catch fish, not on how to "make life easier to fish". Maybe "DIY Tips", tie both the original idea of this thread together with "Tips". Now I just talked myself into a circle though. Oh no, I need another cup of coffee. lol

In any case, lets try a DIY/Tips contest next and we'll go from there.

Spoonminnow
10-19-2013, 08:56 AM
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"General Tips" could be understood as general tips on how to catch fish, not on how to "make life easier to fish"
Exactly! A lure tinkering tip could include using a candle flame to fuse soft plastic parts together to make an attractive hybrid lure; using Spike It to take a solid colored soft plastic and color it to make it a laminate. Using these lures in different ways it up to the angler.