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NIMROD
07-14-2013, 02:01 PM
I am strictly a jig fisherman. Lately in this heat I keep getting tons of missed stikes and tubes pulled of my jigs. Blamed it on small Bream and Crappie. About decided it was short strikes after catching several descent Crappie outside the mouth and one in the belly. Saw some spiderriggers pull up to a brushpile I was working catch several real quick on live minnows. I was catching a few but things happened when they pulled in with 8 poles baited with double minnows. I refuse to use live bait anymore but know at times can make a difference.

Cmj
07-14-2013, 04:53 PM
I know you dont believe in nibbles, but they have stopped short strikes for me numerous times when the bite is light or finicky.

yikess
07-14-2013, 10:17 PM
Now is the time for the smallest jig you have in the box if you don't pull crankbaits.

Locator79
07-15-2013, 04:14 AM
Why refuse to use live bait? It catches fish.

talltimber
07-15-2013, 05:33 AM
I'll venture a guess - more money, pita to fool with and try to keep alive, another stop to make (or someone else to wait on if the shop doesn't open early enough).
Just a couple of reasons why I don't like fooling with them, although I will occasionally.

Locator79
07-15-2013, 07:25 AM
I like to use jigs too, but if the bite gets tough, sometimes minnows or wax worms will save the day.

Slabo
07-15-2013, 10:17 AM
Now is the time for the smallest jig you have in the box if you don't pull crankbaits.


I usually go to a small solid body jig or a small hair jig something in the 1" in length range. and slow down my presentation

Kman
07-15-2013, 11:53 AM
If it is the same bite I get this time every year, minnows wont totally solve it anyway...they'll help, just like a nibbler will, but the strike STILL feels like a 3" bream is machine gunning it. I used to SWEAR it wasn't a crappie, still feels weird..but it IS crappie. Caught 22 Saturday morning and EVERY one of them hit this way...here is what I do.


You MUST....MUST have a good sensitive rod. I use a sams super sensitive in 9'!!! 9' is CRUCIAL because I own a Sams SS 10' and it is a BROOMSTICK (sorry sam) compared to the 9'. Then you MUST...MUST use a hi vis yellow line that you can SEE! I use stren Hi vis gold 8lb.

When vertical jigging (which is all I do, I don't fish any other way) drop the jig in the pile ( I do NOT change the jig size, I only use 1/16oz with tubes, maybe I should go smaller, but I don't), when you get that "weird bite"...do NOT set the hook, you wont catch him. Instead watch your rod tip and your line...if your line is moving or running, you can set hook then...most of the time it wont be though. Instead begin to SLOWLY lift with steady soft slow pressure and watch that rod tip. If the rod tip begins to bend (you WILL NOT see this in a thicker 10ft or 11 ft rod, cue the arguments but you wont) then hes got it, but don't set it, just keep LIFTING the rod, eventually the hook will grab him and the weight of the fish will set it. YOU MUST have a net ready as these fish can not be given the slightest bit of slack or they are GONE! Remember, you don't have a REAL hookset doing this.

Your catch ratio will go thru the roof.

Huntalivesh23
07-15-2013, 12:29 PM
I watched a video of Todd huckabee on knot tying for jigs. I always used a palomar knot for jigs to keep them laying horizontal but he ties loop knots to let the jigs lay at about a 45 degree angle so when they come up they are catching the hook rather than biting down on the hook. I tie my jigs this way now because it made alot of sense to me. I'm still fairly new to the sport and most of y'all have probly heard of tying this way. As far as using the live bait part I read in the live bait forum about a homemade minnow tank so I built one of these and it can hold a ton of minnows so that way I don't have to make another stop and I just bought me first house and am about 200 yards from the water of my home lake and 2 miles from to ramp so to go to the bait shop is heading the complete opposite direction. Now I just stop by there on my home from work and pick up about 10-20 dozen minnows and I have them right there at the house

Kman
07-15-2013, 12:52 PM
I watched a video of Todd huckabee on knot tying for jigs. I always used a palomar knot for jigs to keep them laying horizontal but he ties loop knots to let the jigs lay at about a 45 degree angle so when they come up they are catching the hook rather than biting down on the hook. I tie my jigs this way now because it made alot of sense to me. I'm still fairly new to the sport and most of y'all have probly heard of tying this way. As far as using the live bait part I read in the live bait forum about a homemade minnow tank so I built one of these and it can hold a ton of minnows so that way I don't have to make another stop and I just bought me first house and am about 200 yards from the water of my home lake and 2 miles from to ramp so to go to the bait shop is heading the complete opposite direction. Now I just stop by there on my home from work and pick up about 10-20 dozen minnows and I have them right there at the house

I too tie my jigs this way

NIMROD
07-15-2013, 01:19 PM
I know you dont believe in nibbles, but they have stopped short strikes for me numerous times when the bite is light or finicky.

Even tried those given to me at camp. :dono Guys last year I caught tons of fish this time of year. I use good rods, Bucks and Ozarks. Even the spiderriggers catches seem to be off this time. Was just wanting to hear what everyone else suggests , thanks. I still catch good numbers but missing more bites
than hook ups.

20watt
07-15-2013, 01:46 PM
Nimrod, i've had the same problem lately. Most of the time i'm fishing an 1/8th head with a mid south tube, nibbles don't seem to help one way or the other, downsizing hasn't helped with missed strikes either :dono

I know some of these strikes are Gar but not all of them :fish

ScottV
07-15-2013, 05:12 PM
Usually I jig fish myself but during the summer I pull and push crankbaits. I've noticed that when the crappie are not actively feeding, they will slap at the crankbait like they are just wanting to injure a baitfish. When this happens, your rod will jump like you're getting a strike but they are not getting hooked. What fish you do catch when this is happening are usually foul hooked in the back or gills. Things usually improve when that magical alarm goes off under the water and feeding starts again. Maybe that's what you're incountering.

Meat on the Table
07-16-2013, 08:16 PM
I never go without jigs, but then again, I never go without minnows.

toofuss
07-16-2013, 09:17 PM
If you pour your own heads find a supplier that stocks the eagle claw long shank hooks. I have only ever seen them in round bends but they do help

Turtlebait
07-17-2013, 06:00 AM
I too have run into the short strikes and have learned another way of catching a few short strikers.I cast 1/32 and when a short strike happens I pick up another rod with a beetle spin with a 3 in. Curly tail and make the same cast as the short strike came from.I may catch 2 or 3 that way but no more b/c they spook easy.The beetle spin has to drop meaning reeling and stopping for it to drop a few inches.When the hit comes reel them in slow and be ready b/c they either drop off at the boat are in it.

Donald@CrappieLogic
07-17-2013, 08:29 AM
I down size to a 32nd or a 64th hair jig works for me

warmouth
07-17-2013, 08:38 AM
I was going to say the same thing Don. Shooting docks with 1/32 or 1/64 drab color jigs, olive, brown, or black. Cast it up in a boat slip and just watch the line as it slowly falls. When the line stops you have a fish or made it to the bottom. I do this when the bite gets tough midday.

NIMROD
07-17-2013, 07:57 PM
I down size to a 32nd or a 64th hair jig works for me

Too hard to fish small jigs in open water over cover fishing 8' or so in the wind. Today was different they smacked it and caught a quick limit just no slabs.

river scum
07-18-2013, 04:29 PM
stuff a crappie nibble up your tube. lil sent mite make a difference, helps me sometimes.

Turtlebait
07-18-2013, 08:26 PM
Whats funny it takes a 1/32 to get them interested as in short stirkes and it takes a beetle spin with a 3 inch curly tail to catch the short strikers.I can throw the beetle spin and catch nothing in the same area so I learned to cast the 1/32 until I get a short strike which is all I get lately and cast the beetle spin in the same spot and catch them.Wednesday was a hot no wind day with 5 mph east wind but a few short striker was fooled.

chulai1968
07-18-2013, 09:21 PM
That's show is a lot of short strikes. The kind a man could enjoy.

fishingpox
07-18-2013, 09:34 PM
If it is the same bite I get this time every year, minnows wont totally solve it anyway...they'll help, just like a nibbler will, but the strike STILL feels like a 3" bream is machine gunning it. I used to SWEAR it wasn't a crappie, still feels weird..but it IS crappie. Caught 22 Saturday morning and EVERY one of them hit this way...here is what I do.


You MUST....MUST have a good sensitive rod. I use a sams super sensitive in 9'!!! 9' is CRUCIAL because I own a Sams SS 10' and it is a BROOMSTICK (sorry sam) compared to the 9'. Then you MUST...MUST use a hi vis yellow line that you can SEE! I use stren Hi vis gold 8lb.

When vertical jigging (which is all I do, I don't fish any other way) drop the jig in the pile ( I do NOT change the jig size, I only use 1/16oz with tubes, maybe I should go smaller, but I don't), when you get that "weird bite"...do NOT set the hook, you wont catch him. Instead watch your rod tip and your line...if your line is moving or running, you can set hook then...most of the time it wont be though. Instead begin to SLOWLY lift with steady soft slow pressure and watch that rod tip. If the rod tip begins to bend (you WILL NOT see this in a thicker 10ft or 11 ft rod, cue the arguments but you wont) then hes got it, but don't set it, just keep LIFTING the rod, eventually the hook will grab him and the weight of the fish will set it. YOU MUST have a net ready as these fish can not be given the slightest bit of slack or they are GONE! Remember, you don't have a REAL hookset doing this.

Your catch ratio will go thru the roof.

All of this above, I use have old Wally Marshall poles. I use 10 pound braided line. Always 1/32 jig, crappie nibbles always near........fish slow

eagle 1
07-18-2013, 11:06 PM
I too tie my jigs this way

thought everyone did .:dono

sacriverjim
07-19-2013, 10:31 AM
alot of good info here, i hope it helps you because it sure has me. :ThumbsUpTight lines!

TexExp
07-19-2013, 02:26 PM
If it is the same bite I get this time every year, minnows wont totally solve it anyway...they'll help, just like a nibbler will, but the strike STILL feels like a 3" bream is machine gunning it. I used to SWEAR it wasn't a crappie, still feels weird..but it IS crappie. Caught 22 Saturday morning and EVERY one of them hit this way...here is what I do.


You MUST....MUST have a good sensitive rod. I use a sams super sensitive in 9'!!! 9' is CRUCIAL because I own a Sams SS 10' and it is a BROOMSTICK (sorry sam) compared to the 9'. Then you MUST...MUST use a hi vis yellow line that you can SEE! I use stren Hi vis gold 8lb.

When vertical jigging (which is all I do, I don't fish any other way) drop the jig in the pile ( I do NOT change the jig size, I only use 1/16oz with tubes, maybe I should go smaller, but I don't), when you get that "weird bite"...do NOT set the hook, you wont catch him. Instead watch your rod tip and your line...if your line is moving or running, you can set hook then...most of the time it wont be though. Instead begin to SLOWLY lift with steady soft slow pressure and watch that rod tip. If the rod tip begins to bend (you WILL NOT see this in a thicker 10ft or 11 ft rod, cue the arguments but you wont) then hes got it, but don't set it, just keep LIFTING the rod, eventually the hook will grab him and the weight of the fish will set it. YOU MUST have a net ready as these fish can not be given the slightest bit of slack or they are GONE! Remember, you don't have a REAL hookset doing this.

Your catch ratio will go thru the roof.

good stuff!
Thanks for sharing! :cheers2

Frank300
07-21-2013, 09:50 AM
Me too. Especially after fishing with Todd on Lake Eufaula.

Frank300
07-21-2013, 09:52 AM
I use trailer hooks when that happens, all though it is not often due to the loop knot working very well.