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    (Info shared with many other fishing and hunting websites....)

    K, you might or might not have heard about the issue on Net Neutrality. It's a tad bit confusing, but in a nutshell, it's the basis that you can go to the smallest website as easy as the biggest. Below, I know, it's long, is the whole issue (taken from itsournet.com)...

    The giant phone and cable companies are trying to take control of the Internet away from the public and convert it into their own private, corporate network.

    * Consumers
    If you are a consumer – a Mom looking for healthcare information to protect your family; a home-school parent using the Internet as part of your education plan; an email user staying in touch with your family and friends – you will have a degraded slower Internet experience with certain Web sites. Some Web sites will even be unavailable unless additional fees are paid. Crappie.Com COULD BE ONE OF THESE SITES.
    * Small Business
    If you are a small business, you may not be able to survive online. If you are an aspiring entrepreneur, you may be impeded from providing the “next big thing” on the Internet. JUST ABOUT ALL COMMERCIAL FISHING SITES WILL BE LIKE THIS.
    * Schools & Churches
    If you are a small non-profit organization, like a church or a school, you may not be able to get your messages out to congregants or student families without paying more.


    How it happened...
    Last year, the phone and cable companies convinced the Federal Communications Commission and the Courts to change how the Internet is operated, making a few unelected officials responsible for a decision with billions of dollars of impact for millions of Internet consumers.

    These decisions reversed the safeguards that made the Internet so great – the freedom known as “Net Neutrality,” which allows you to go anywhere you want to go on the Internet. The Internet was designed by American universities, and made available to the general public over an open platform that required phone and cable companies to treat all traffic in a neutral manner.

    Now, however, the phone and cable companies boast that they will create premium lanes on the Internet for higher fees, and give preferential access to their own services and those VIPs who can afford to “pay to play.” They have already blocked certain services and have the power to block or degrade any service that competes with them:

    * Do you want the phone and cable companies to block online movies or cheaper phone service over the Internet?
    * Do you want the phone and cable companies to decide which blogs or political sites you can access?
    * Do you want phone and cable companies to give preferential Internet access to companies who pay more for “premium” delivery?
    * Do you want phone and cable companies to keep new innovations off the Internet?


    If you answered no to any of these questions, then keep reading.

    What Happens if Congress Destroys Net Neutrality?
    If Congress caves in to the telephone and cable companies’ power grab, they will use that power to dictate your content. The Net as we know it will be radically altered. Destroying Net Neutrality would result in:

    * Discrimination – Phone and cable companies will be able to steer you to Web content and services that they own or have exclusive deals with.
    * Higher Costs – If content providers are charged new fees to “ensure” that you can view their sites, they will pass these fees through to consumers like you and small businesses.
    * Reduced Investment – Investors will have little reason to support new, Internet-based content and services if there is no guarantee they can even get on the net. Innovation will plummet.
    * Compromised Global Competitiveness - The US will lose its lead on the Internet as innovation moves to more fertile, open markets overseas.


    We need to keep the Internet as an open marketplace and not allow a few rich heavy-hitters that will dictate where you can go.

    What Should Congress Do?
    Congress needs to act to preserve Net Neutrality and the Internet as we know it. They should:

    1. Re-establish basic safeguards that require broadband providers to treat all Internet traffic in a nondiscriminatory manner, without favoritism.
    2. Prohibit tiering schemes that impose fees to “deliver” Internet content on top of the fees already paid to connect to the Internet.
    3. Require strong federal enforcement, including penalties for violating these duties.


    Everyone who uses the Internet will be affected if Congress gives in to the telephone and cable companies’ demands.

    What YOU Can Do
    OK, luckily, Senator Clinton supports Net Neutrality, but still, just to give her reassurance, please, EVERYBODY, click here.

    http://www.congressweb.com/cweb4/ind...wtn&hotissue=3

    Then, spread the word. The senate acts this fall, and just as the way Crappie.Com helped make year-round fishing, help keep the internet free!

    Thank you for helping the internet.

    WE NEED HELP SPREADING THE WORD!!!!

    The bulk of it is here.
    http://www.savetheinternet.com/
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    Good post.

    Thanks.

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    Well, I for one, dont even like the price I pay now. And if it werent for sites like this one then I wouldnt be interested in the net to begin with so I dont wanna loose these. Not real sure what you other guys think about it but I went ahead and sent the email to the politicians. Maybe there's enough interest to get them to thinking. I'm sending this website link around to my friends as well.
    Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.

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    i sent mine.

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    your getting reeled in...regulation cannot be accomplished on the net. It is its own beast.

    You cannot change the way network addresses work. INternet providers can put filters or proxies to filter out certain sites. You have to name those sites individually or put keyword filters on them. But if you ask anyone who works doing this, its a futile effort.

    The net will always be free spread of information.

    Trust me i work in this industry and this is all a bunch of hoo haa.
    And the one thing you fail to remember about everythingas far as the internet is concerned.
    The NUMBER ONE developer and churning power behind the internet is the porn industry. They alone have developed and driven the devlopement and structure of the web. Therefore if you put those nuggets to work and think about it. Theres no way they are going to able to push out the thing that makes the net work in the first place.

    Ive babbled but i hope you guys can fight through this and understand it.
    If you just do some reading how IP,network addressing, dns, etc works you will understand that a machine will call upon another machine by that statndard. Wether its a personal pc or a huge apache web server. You cannot break that link easily. its like saying you cant dial jo bobs phone from somewhere else. as long as jo bob has a phone number you can call him. same philosophy with internet addresses.

    if a major isp filters content you want then dont use them. there will always be an isp that will not filter content through their routers. and anyone with a lawyer can sue those isps that filter easily for blocking content.



    thanks for listening to my babble and 2 cents

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    I hate to disagree but there is some contradiction to your contradiction...check out SNOPES. They list this as TRUE and list several sources that may be worth further reading. Maybe they are not focused on net addresses but limiting the bandwidth of ISP's(?) catering to JonQ.

    I can't dispute what you are saying about the technology but the analogy to phones is not good because I believe there are ways (when lines are flooded) to give priority to priority callers--I also know from working on older (hard wire) military systems that signal protocol can be designed to allow priority to essentially bump other "standard" signals to the curb.

    If you still disagree, I encourage you to contact the folks at SNOPES via their website. They do respond. I asked a question about an email I received (it was not listed on their site). They promptly got back with me and debunked the whole idea. I was fairly impressed by their research (for me) and prompt reply (to me).

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    main thing is an address is an address for a device.
    Ip protocol,routing protocols, ip domain look ups.....all of this cannot be changed on the structure.
    yes phone technology vs ip is not the same...it was just an analogy to those that dont understand the technology behind the addressing structure that is the web.

    to say someone can harness it is insane to say the least.

    the only thing a company can do is offer a service that their routers could try to filter out individual sites that they find.
    If you build a site they would have to physically after you made it block it.
    with the thousands of sites created every day(very understated estimate) physically adding these sites to their proxies to block they would never be able to keep up. And if their service did the thing of ONLY allowing certain sites to be accessed on a list and all others blocked. then noone would use that service.

    deregulation exists at the physical phone level with telco's. These are just the physical lines. they transmit data which it will always do no matter what kind of data. These lines run to the isp's whos dns servers make the spanning tree. Now with the free market which we have.....there will always be an isp that will not go with the big business "non-Net Neutrality" thing. so agin your not going to have this shut down of all sites that arent profitable by some business.

    This isnt Orwell 1984 were going to

    Sorry i get so frustrated with all this big business, brother is going to take all of our stuff away that floats around on the web.

    IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN lol

    even if some nut floats a bill and even if it passed...it wont happen... the chinese, european, rusiian etc isp's would keep us floating even if the us turned into 1950 russia with its laws and practices.

    The web is universal...some us law will not change the web


    sorry again if i sound like a rant or loosing you...


    omg i need to go fishing lol !!!!!!!!!!!!


    ok fishing picture to make us all feel good again HA


    last sat night haul crappie and sandies
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    wow spellcheck woulda been handy on my last post

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    Forget spellcheck ... we are all buds here.

    I use the internet as my personal library. Every night I turn off the tube and pick a new subject and read about it until I get a general idea about it.

    Last week I was reading about Scientology and how "Xenu" took a fleet of DC8-like spaceships and flew 13.5 trillion frozen people to earth, or Teegeeack as L. Ron Hubbard calls it, to ease the population of our sector of the galaxy. Unbeliveable stuff, but Tom Cruse and John Travolta are sold on it. Haha.

    As long as I can read what i need ... I am cool.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by KCBH; 07-06-2006 at 11:47 PM.

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