I agree with you about them. I was saving to get a HB 1197csi w/nvb and browsed Amazon to see exactly what i'd have to put away per month to get one, and found that they had [2] on sale for an unbelievable price of $1999 each. I immediately pulled out my charge card and ordered one. These were new in the box units. Decided i could make some money on the other one but in the fifteen minutes it took me to get back, the other one was gone. Been using it since last fall with no problem. Also got a humminbird Ice 45 icefishing unit at a reduced price and then found a coupon for a $45 rebate. Great place to shop for just about anything you need.