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T.C.
12-13-2010, 01:30 PM
I usually lonline jigs, but i normally do this in water less than 15ft. Anyway, this is my first real year of winter crappie fishing. I normally deer/duck/coon hunt but since im in the Navy now i dont live back home and hunting isnt available to me like it used to be. Here is my prob: I wanna troll jigs in deep water but as all of you know longlining is sometimes a guessing game on how deep your jigs actually are (unless ya been doing it for many years). When i longline shallower water i dont have a prob but this past weekend i tried to troll in the 25-30fow depth. The fish were holding in the 18-20 fow range so i needed my jigs to be running close to that depth but I couldnt guesstimate how much line i needed out to get them way down there. When i normally longline i jus cast as much line out as i can and then strip out a lil more. But with being in deeper water in the winter i think i would have to let out my whole spool to get the jigs deep enough. So my question is what do some of you fellas do when you troll in deep water? I wanna be able to control my depth pretty accurately. I hate having out 200-300ft of line out and "guessing" how deep my jigs are running. I wanna be able to know for sure. I figure either way im gonna have to have alot of line out though, b/c to get good action on my jigs i need to be running atleast .6 mph, any info will be a big help

BenFL01
12-13-2010, 01:37 PM
More weight, same distance. If you don't want to use heavier jigs, then put a split shot 12" up from the jig. Try tandem 1/8 oz road runners, they should run pretty deep.

T.C.
12-13-2010, 01:52 PM
yeah i know to add more weight, but im still guessing how deep im running. when i spider rig, i use my rod as a ruler and i go so slow that my line stays vertical and i know exactly how deep my bait is. Im kinda lookin for the same things but with jigs. I wish there was a chart that showed if you go this speed and have this much weight you will be fishing this deep. Is there anything like that out there?

STUMP HUNTER
12-13-2010, 01:54 PM
I run some 1/8 this time of year too. At .7 mph with 35 to 40' of line out using 6 pound line the 1/8 jigs are running 11' deep. Like BenFL01 said, running two 1/8 jigs should get you in the zone or step up to 1/4 oz jigs. Be careful not to get your jig running under the fish. Good luck.

Dongotto
12-13-2010, 02:57 PM
Go to an area that has a bottom depth of 20ft. Let out your line estimate either by a max cast, or mark your line with a marker. Run your speed just like you are fishing and play with your line amount until you start to bump bottom then mark your line and go fishing. Next move out to 25 and in to 15 and repeat. Now you have a pretty good feel for how much line to let out for a given weight and speed. Really won't take long and if you take notes of what your doing you won't have to do it unless you want to make a change to jig weight and speed.

Crappie Gobbler
12-13-2010, 03:09 PM
This time of the year when the fish get a little slower and deeper. I slow down to .5mph and run tandem 1/16, 1/8, and then tandem 1/8 jigs. I play with speed and wieght more than I do length of line. Sometimes they want it a little slower so I liten up on the jig and play with the speed. When they want it faster and use more jig wieght and pull faster. I will change to AWD jigs or a lighter action tail to keep good action at slower speeds.

feelay
12-13-2010, 04:23 PM
Try spider rigging.

Tracy Swanson
12-13-2010, 04:53 PM
s.y.g. you got some great tips from all the fishermen that will work if i was you i would do it like stump hunter said do it he know his stuff when it comes to long lining he puts them in the cooler quite often

baitman
12-13-2010, 05:46 PM
I hit the water just after 7am and headed for yellow creek. I found 411jump up there giving trolling a try and catching fish. I dropped my lines in 18 feet of water and started trolling at 1mph. Wasnt long and the fish started coming in the boat. Looking at the graph I could see the fish were still holding close to the bottom. I was running my jigs 50-75 feet back with double jigs on each one. I had a 1/16 and a 1/8oz. I ran up in to 16 feet of water and dialed my speed down till my jigs started bumping the bottom. Speed was .8mph. Hot colors today was dirty snow and bubblegum. Also caught them on chart. colors.
I trolled on the right side and in the middle of the creek from 300 yards before the power lines to the 1st cove on the right when your coming in the creek. If you havent tried trolling your missing out on a great way to locate fish. Find someone that does it and go out with them. It can be very addicting.

Nice morning on the lake
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg289/microspoons/DSCF4036.jpg

This is what I was looking for. watch your rods when you go over a small school like this because you can pretty much count on getting bit

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Mid morning and still like glass
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more on next post

baitman
12-13-2010, 05:46 PM
This
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg289/microspoons/DSCF4040.jpg

= this
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http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg289/microspoons/DSCF4043.jpg


I brought home 30 fish and caught over 60 for the day with only 1 bass in the mix.

T.C.
12-13-2010, 05:57 PM
Thanks for all the help guys.

Shine Runner
12-13-2010, 08:26 PM
Good suggestions above. I will use heavy split shots or bullet weights heavy enough to get me down to desired depth at a desired speed when fishing from the front of the boat. The back of the boat usually will be just heavier heads and a split shot added to get down. I have used the cast as far as I can method and then add line, but I usually don't get it far enough back. The added weight helps overcome this. Deeper colder fish usually won't spook from a boat like shallower fish will, so slow trolling short lines with heavier than normal weight work a lot of the time. It also makes turning the boat around easier too for when you hit a good school of fish that you want to go back and hit again. Make sure to make the distance from the larger weights to the jigs at least 20" to avoid those finicky fish. Or paint the leads chartreuse!

BigMack
12-13-2010, 08:34 PM
Have you tried a Capps & Coleman rig?
Seems to work pretty good for them.
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A couple of our friends here have made a good video about slow trolling with this rig.
Paul O'Bier & Jerry Hancock will show you how it's done.

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gabowman
12-13-2010, 08:43 PM
Go to an area that has a bottom depth of 20ft. Let out your line estimate either by a max cast, or mark your line with a marker. Run your speed just like you are fishing and play with your line amount until you start to bump bottom then mark your line and go fishing. Next move out to 25 and in to 15 and repeat. Now you have a pretty good feel for how much line to let out for a given weight and speed. Really won't take long and if you take notes of what your doing you won't have to do it unless you want to make a change to jig weight and speed.

IMO, this is the ONLY way youre ever gonna feel comfortable where your jigs are running with your boat setup. I only pull 1/16th jigs and from doing this exact same thing I know how deep my jigs are running using 1 jig, double jigs, and a jig and small splitshot. It really makes you feel alot more comfortable knowing where your jigs are in the water column when youre seeing most of the fish on your graph at a specific depth. Just remember though, the fish feed up and youre only after the aggressive fish. If all the fish seem to be holding @ 18' then I'd want my jigs running 13'-16' deep.;) Not much more you can do to make 'em bite your jigs other than showing 'em to them and hoping they attack, and usually the aggressive fish will.:o

skeetbum
12-14-2010, 02:25 AM
I have a bit of input that I recently learned from one of my club brothers. He won't troll, and he is tough to get ahead of in a tourney. Sit in the front seat, eyes on the graph, foot on the TM and a rod in each hand dropping a jig where you see them hanging on the graph. I use 1/8 for the contact and I'm still learning the boat control part, so it's more forgiving. Barely moving the boat, ease into the wind till you stop seeing fish, release the TM and drift back through them. The thumps are strong, and highly addictive.Last week the fish were in 20 to 25 fow, and I was dropping about 17' to them. Brushpiles would grab you if you went too deep. If you're moving around and see fish on the graph, drop a marker, drift off and set up if you aren't already, and go back and make your presentation. I use the length of the rod, the open the bail with the index finger holding line from jumping off, and holding the reel to the middle of my chest with my right hand, I pull line off as far as I can with the left. That's about 3' and go from there. I used an 8' rod and 3 pulls. Tandems or just different colors on each rod will tell you what they want.

T.C.
12-14-2010, 09:22 PM
Yeah i really like the idea of bouncing off the bottom at diff depths and logging it in a book. Skeetbum, that sounds pretty cool what you were talking about, im def gonna give that a try also.

old crappie
12-15-2010, 06:54 AM
Have youy ever thought of putting a float (oblong styrofoam with peg) on your line and adjust accordingly when trolling out the back of your boat. At higher speeds adjust deeper. Works great!

T.C.
12-15-2010, 09:13 AM
Have youy ever thought of putting a float (oblong styrofoam with peg) on your line and adjust accordingly when trolling out the back of your boat. At higher speeds adjust deeper. Works great!

I dont like the idea of having a float tied on while im trolling. I have to watch the float instead of my rod tips then. Seems like there would be a delay in knowing when you have a bite also.