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rapman1
08-26-2009, 09:52 AM
i have a couple of 8.5 fish eagle steelhead rods (light action) that i want to use for crappie. i will be casting from shore for the most part, and reaching into brush. i have read about wally marshall rods and b and n rods, and was wondering if the rods i have would fit the bill.

i use shimano symetres for both walleye and smallmouth fishing, but was thinking about getting a couple of shimano sedonas to use as crappie reels.

any thoughts on these questions? appreciate the help.

deathb4disco
08-26-2009, 10:16 AM
i have a couple of 8.5 fish eagle steelhead rods (light action) that i want to use for crappie. i will be casting from shore for the most part, and reaching into brush. i have read about wally marshall rods and b and n rods, and was wondering if the rods i have would fit the bill.


They will definitely fit the bill. The Fish Eagles are great rods, much better than any WM or BnM I've seen. I have the medium light version of that rod, and it works great for trout and light bass fishing. Your light version will be perfect for crappie.

rapman1
08-26-2009, 11:38 AM
thanks d....looks like i am headed in the right direction.

skiptomylu
08-26-2009, 12:37 PM
I don't see why you would need to change reels, maybe just the line size? I don't know the rod, but feel if deathb4disco says that I would think he is right.

Reel is mostly for the same thing and if you like what you have I wouldn't change the reels. I mostly use Shimano and have a good many Stradics and Sustains, but they are not necessary, but since I had them for bass fishing before I changed over to full time crappie I just keep using them and if I get a new reel I stick what what I like.

Also if you start fishing standing timber they (your rods) are great size for that as well.

Skip

rapman1
08-26-2009, 01:07 PM
skip, right now i have no reels on these rods. figured a graphite-framed reel would be okay for crappies and even gills. up to this point, i haven't fished specifically for slabs, but i am going in that direction. (fishing is my only remaining vice and half the fun is getting a new toy or two...lol). thanks for the help....rap

JBledsoe
08-26-2009, 07:53 PM
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Hello folks,

I am new to this forum but not new anywhere else (70 years old). Anyway, I am beginning to think that we are not talking about the same fish when we speak of crappie. We would never dream of crappie fishing with a steelhead rig. How big are your crappies, our state record is only 3 lbs 9 oz and 17.5 inches. Our steelhead record is over 30 lbs and 44 inches, a little difference in size. I fish with a 7 ft Ugly Stick in the lightest action that I can find which is a Micro-Lite. I use 4 lb line on a Symetre reel, jigs only, no live bait permitted in Idaho or Oregon.

The bite is sometimes so light that it cannot be felt, only seen. The line moves or rod tip bends ever so slightly is the only clue. A heavy rod does not allow that action to be seen. Crappie are not considered game fish in a state with a fixation on trout so there is no limit. My best day was 245, rather busy but fun.

Thanks
Jim

rapman1
08-26-2009, 08:15 PM
hello jb. the rods that i am talking about are light action rods, a notch above ultra-lights. these rods are used with 4-8 lb. test line. on the steelhead tribs of ohio and pa, lots of guys use these rods, up to 12 feet again with very light lines. steelhead up to 15 pounds can be handled with 4 lb. test and these rods. lots of us call them noodle rods. just so you know, our streams are a lot smaller than yours, so casting distances isn't critical.

chaunc
08-27-2009, 06:27 AM
JB, if you cant feel the bite, you need to get a better quality rod. Uglystix are durable but not nearly as sensitive as a lot of crappie rods on the market. Sure they catch fish and are in-expensive, but try a wally marshall or b&m 7ft rod and you'll definately feel the diffrence. Believe me, dont knock em til you try them. I only use my uglystix now for deepwater perch fishing or trolling.

shipahoy41
08-27-2009, 06:33 AM
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Hello folks,

I am new to this forum but not new anywhere else (70 years old). Anyway, I am beginning to think that we are not talking about the same fish when we speak of crappie. We would never dream of crappie fishing with a steelhead rig. How big are your crappies, our state record is only 3 lbs 9 oz and 17.5 inches. Our steelhead record is over 30 lbs and 44 inches, a little difference in size. I fish with a 7 ft Ugly Stick in the lightest action that I can find which is a Micro-Lite. I use 4 lb line on a Symetre reel, jigs only, no live bait permitted in Idaho or Oregon.

The bite is sometimes so light that it cannot be felt, only seen. The line moves or rod tip bends ever so slightly is the only clue. A heavy rod does not allow that action to be seen. Crappie are not considered game fish in a state with a fixation on trout so there is no limit. My best day was 245, rather busy but fun.

Thanks
Jim

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I have B 'n' M Russ Bailey rods as well as Ugly Sticks. Those are the only two brands I buy. All have Shimano reels on them with #4 pound line. The most sensitive is the 10.5 foot B 'n' M rod. The most versatile for all around fiiiishing for other species are my Ungly Sticks.

skeetbum
08-28-2009, 08:14 PM
rapman, I too use shimano reels on a lot of my rods with very good service from them. The reels you mentioned are quite a bit up the ladder from what I use. If you have to buy reels for your new rods it's not necessary to spend that kind of money unless you just want to. I have 5 Slade model Shimano 1000 and 2000 series that are over 6 yrs old, some were used when I bought them. I've caught redfish and other gamey saltwater fish on them. Price range from $12 to $25, and they have a bearing or two. For what we do with them, they're little more than a line holder, but these have a good drag system. Lately I've bought 3 Mitchell Avocet reels in the UL and 1000 size, with 4 bearings, and they are in the same price range. Just some info from the cheap seats. Tight lines.....

JBledsoe
08-28-2009, 10:56 PM
JB, if you cant feel the bite, you need to get a better quality rod. Uglystix are durable but not nearly as sensitive as a lot of crappie rods on the market. Sure they catch fish and are in-expensive, but try a wally marshall or b&m 7ft rod and you'll definately feel the diffrence. Believe me, dont knock em til you try them. I only use my uglystix now for deepwater perch fishing or trolling.

Thank you but we have tried them all. Some of the super sensitive high dollar rods do not hold up. We broke three last year. Sure, they replaced them but that doesn't help much in the heat of battle. So we settled on the UglySticks because they take the hard use. I don't care how much money your rod cost you are still getting many bites that you never know about, but if you know crappies you already know that.

Crappie fishing is so much fun that we have given up bass fishing.

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chaunc
08-29-2009, 07:40 AM
Thank you but we have tried them all. Some of the super sensitive high dollar rods do not hold up. We broke three last year. Sure, they replaced them but that doesn't help much in the heat of battle. So we settled on the UglySticks because they take the hard use. I don't care how much money your rod cost you are still getting many bites that you never know about, but if you know crappies you already know that.

Crappie fishing is so much fun that we have given up bass fishing.

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Not bragging, but i can feel a fish fart on my 5'6" WM rod. Fish with me and i'll prove it. I dont baby my WM rod and it's held up for 3 seasons now with no problem. Personally, i think uglystick rods are for people who dont know how to care for their equipment. Just throw it in the boat, trunk, or closet and pull it out next trip. Oh yeah, WM is not a high dollar rod. But to each his own. I dont use b&m BGJP rods anymore because they have a manufacturing flaw that causes them to be too fragile for me.

rapman1
08-29-2009, 02:19 PM
rapman, I too use shimano reels on a lot of my rods with very good service from them. The reels you mentioned are quite a bit up the ladder from what I use. If you have to buy reels for your new rods it's not necessary to spend that kind of money unless you just want to. I have 5 Slade model Shimano 1000 and 2000 series that are over 6 yrs old, some were used when I bought them. I've caught redfish and other gamey saltwater fish on them. Price range from $12 to $25, and they have a bearing or two. For what we do with them, they're little more than a line holder, but these have a good drag system. Lately I've bought 3 Mitchell Avocet reels in the UL and 1000 size, with 4 bearings, and they are in the same price range. Just some info from the cheap seats. Tight lines.....


skeet, thanks for the info. i agree that the reels are nothing more than line holders, for the most part. reason i threw out the sedonas is that i can get a real nice deal on a couple of them. i do appreciate the input.

RetiredRR
03-15-2012, 10:53 PM
skeet, thanks for the info. i agree that the reels are nothing more than line holders, for the most part. reason i threw out the sedonas is that i can get a real nice deal on a couple of them. i do appreciate the input.

X2
Crappie don't care what you use to catch 'em........ LOL :highfive I love my 12' BnM with the closed face
spinning reel for $9.00. Yard sales are fun in more ways than one. From my 'yak, I can fish both banks
with the 12 footer. Crappie up in my creek in good numbers now...........don't care if the wind blows hard,
no white caps in the creek. Keepin' the line tight and concentratin' hard on the taps. :fish

Locator79
03-16-2012, 06:05 AM
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Hello folks,

I am new to this forum but not new anywhere else (70 years old). Anyway, I am beginning to think that we are not talking about the same fish when we speak of crappie. We would never dream of crappie fishing with a steelhead rig. How big are your crappies, our state record is only 3 lbs 9 oz and 17.5 inches. Our steelhead record is over 30 lbs and 44 inches, a little difference in size. I fish with a 7 ft Ugly Stick in the lightest action that I can find which is a Micro-Lite. I use 4 lb line on a Symetre reel, jigs only, no live bait permitted in Idaho or Oregon.

The bite is sometimes so light that it cannot be felt, only seen. The line moves or rod tip bends ever so slightly is the only clue. A heavy rod does not allow that action to be seen. Crappie are not considered game fish in a state with a fixation on trout so there is no limit. My best day was 245, rather busy but fun.

Thanks
Jim


Not all steelhead rods are what you think. I have 9' noodle rods made for steelhead fishing that I use for bluegill fishing, and they make every fish feel like a monster.

waterboy1
03-16-2012, 09:53 AM
I have 2 Pinnacle vertex IM7 graphite salmon rods, 9ft long and use them all year for gills and for jigging. I can feel the lightest bite with these rods from a crappie or blue gill. Your rods should be as sensitive as mine are, and be great crappie rods. They are also very strong as I landed a 40lb flathead catfish with one of my rods. Good luck and welcome from Tn.

zrdc28
03-16-2012, 06:37 PM
In my opinion you might have exactly the rods you need, I also use steelhead rods for crappie and bream fishing, you do not need the 12 foot 7-8 power for crappie fishing, I have 2 9 foot steelhead rods that I have been using for about 10 years and I still prefer them to the multitude of other rods that I have.