Let me be the first to comment on PerchKiller. I was intrigued by the swamp worm so I sent him a PM asking for his cell # so I could get some first hand info. He was extremely helpful and full of information which was appreciated. I have raised red wigglers for years successfully so raising swampers would be a snap. I will give this man 5 stars for customer service. We had alot in common. I am saving his contact number for future discussions. If I get to North Carolina I will look this man up to go trout fishing with him