For Someone New To Tying

[skiptomylu]

Originally Posted by mikeb

Anybody have a thought on this Deluxe kit from cabalas???

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Thans,mikeb

Yes it has things you will not use for tying jigs. Especially the whip finish tool is for flies and will not work on jigs.

If you have read my post I feel sure you know I don't think much of kits for several reasons, but I have not looked at either of these that well, but I do see the wrong Whip finish tool and I bet the bobbins are not ceramic.

Just my opinion and I am sure you can find some that like kits.

Skip

[Southeasttackle]

Originally Posted by skiptomylu

Yes it has things you will not use for tying jigs. Especially the whip finish tool is for flies and will not work on jigs.

If you have read my post I feel sure you know I don't think much of kits for several reasons, but I have not looked at either of these that well, but I do see the wrong Whip finish tool and I bet the bobbins are not ceramic.

Just my opinion and I am sure you can find some that like kits.

Skip

The whip finish tool will not work on jigs????

I use it on every jig that I tie, no matter the kind.

[shipahoy41]

I also like to whip finish by hand and use ceramic bobbins.

[skiptomylu]

Originally Posted by Southeasttackle

The whip finish tool will not work on jigs????

I use it on every jig that I tie, no matter the kind.

Not the kind in that picture. I use a whip finish tool also, but it is not a Thompson style. It is a Matarelli style whip finisher that works on jigs where the Thompson is made to turn very close around the hook eye and not around a jig head.

It makes a huge difference in the finish and how it is done so we don't need new people buying a kit that has a whip finish tool that will not work on what they are doing.

If in fact you use a Thompson style on jig heads please show us all how that works for you.

Please look at what I am talking about before you try and correct.

Skip

[deathb4disco]

Whip finish by hand is easy:


YouTube - POLARIS FLIES - HAND WHIP FINISHING - NEW FLY TYING VIDEOS

YouTube - Whip finish without whip finisher

[skiptomylu]

Originally Posted by deathb4disco

Whip finish by hand is easy:


YouTube - POLARIS FLIES - HAND WHIP FINISHING - NEW FLY TYING VIDEOS

YouTube - Whip finish without whip finisher

Unless you are like me and have trouble with dry hands for the thread to catch on every time. Plus after a while it is easier for me to use the tool and I also like the extended reach for some things so I have both and a Thompson for flies since it came in a kit.

Skip

[Southeasttackle]

Originally Posted by skiptomylu

Not the kind in that picture. I use a whip finish tool also, but it is not a Thompson style. It is a Matarelli style whip finisher that works on jigs where the Thompson is made to turn very close around the hook eye and not around a jig head.

It makes a huge difference in the finish and how it is done so we don't need new people buying a kit that has a whip finish tool that will not work on what they are doing.

If in fact you use a Thompson style on jig heads please show us all how that works for you.

Please look at what I am talking about before you try and correct.

Skip

Yes the kind in the picture~ I use that one in the picture. Never had a problem. I looked at what you were talking about - you are wrong my friend they will work on jigs. I have tied thousands with that kind of finish tool in th picture. Maybe I need to show you how. Just because you sell a few jigs on a crappie forum does not make you the lone authority.

[Southeasttackle]

To use a Thompson whip finish tool on jigs - Use the tool the same as you would your hand for hand finishing. You don't hook the tool onto the hook as you would do for tying a fly.
Leave about one inch of thread between your tool and the jig. Let the tool rotate in your fingers as you rotate the tool around the jig.
Makes a nice neat and fast finish.
I would not have said so If I didn't know what I was talking about.

[skiptomylu]

Originally Posted by Southeasttackle

To use a Thompson whip finish tool on jigs - Use the tool the same as you would your hand for hand finishing. You don't hook the tool onto the hook as you would do for tying a fly.
Leave about one inch of thread between your tool and the jig. Let the tool rotate in your fingers as you rotate the tool around the jig.
Makes a nice neat and fast finish.
I would not have said so If I didn't know what I was talking about.

Great so now you are an authority and I don't clame to be. I don't like that one even for flies and the Matarelli works best for me and I would never actually recommend something I don't like. I don't like the Thompson and from everything I read about them and have used them on flies, but it is not made for jigs or big head type things. It is plane and simple not as versatile!

So teach away to someone that wants to use one. One thing for sure a Matarelli is so much easier to use on jigs it not even a contest. That is my opinion and I will not talk about this any longer and will not recommend one.

I don't claim to know everything, but I am willing to jump in and help teach what I do know.

A quote from FAOL...."This week we'll learn how to use the Matarelli whip finisher. This is the easiest of the two whip finishers to use. It can be used on a variety of flies, but it is much easier than the Thompson to use on bullet head, jig head, bead head, cone head and foam head flies. Any time you need to create a whip knot back away from the hook eye, this is the tool for the job."

Yes I sell a few jigs, but what does that have to do with it? You seem to want to make this a personal thing and that is not allowed here. If all you wish to do is argue then find someone else.

Have a great day!

Skipi

[shipahoy41]

Originally Posted by tom1939

Just want to congradulate this site as the most informative and
helpful I have came across. If one reads the posts on here and
accepts the help offered, I see no reason they can't learn and
be tying their own jigs and flies. Thank all of you for a really good
job..

You're welcome.