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    I don't like seeing this, but it is all super rich people shifting monies. I was given 1970s 700 30-60 that after $300 is a 1/2 MOA and groups 0.25". I still have my high school 870 express that I could use as a shovel hand and dove hunt with if I needed to as well.
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    I don't think they will go away. If I understand it right, they are filing chapter 11 bankrupcy protection. In part because of their asset to income to debt ratios. Anytime new products are introduced, rather than investing "old" money, they usually look to gain "new" monies to build these products. Unfortunately, after the Sandy Hook issues (yes that reared its ugly head) and the lawsuits stemming from their "bushmaster" line, they have NOT been able to attract any new investors. It isn't So much that they are losing money due to lawsuits or court settlements, but rather the issue with investment companies not wanting to be associated or previous companies that are backing away and distancing themselves.

    The sad part is that the bushmaster rifle involved didn't go off on its own, Remington didn't program it to walk in to a location and shoot people, but they are somehow responsible in the eye of public opinion now days. They will continue to stick around and probably be back better than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wicklundrh View Post
    I don't think they will go away. If I understand it right, they are filing chapter 11 bankrupcy protection. In part because of their asset to income to debt ratios. Anytime new products are introduced, rather than investing "old" money, they usually look to gain "new" monies to build these products. Unfortunately, after the Sandy Hook issues (yes that reared its ugly head) and the lawsuits stemming from their "bushmaster" line, they have NOT been able to attract any new investors. It isn't So much that they are losing money due to lawsuits or court settlements, but rather the issue with investment companies not wanting to be associated or previous companies that are backing away and distancing themselves.

    The sad part is that the bushmaster rifle involved didn't go off on its own, Remington didn't program it to walk in to a location and shoot people, but they are somehow responsible in the eye of public opinion now days. They will continue to stick around and probably be back better than ever.
    I hope so! I’m a Ruger man, but competition is good for the consumer in all industries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wicklundrh View Post
    I don't think they will go away. If I understand it right, they are filing chapter 11 bankrupcy protection. In part because of their asset to income to debt ratios. Anytime new products are introduced, rather than investing "old" money, they usually look to gain "new" monies to build these products. Unfortunately, after the Sandy Hook issues (yes that reared its ugly head) and the lawsuits stemming from their "bushmaster" line, they have NOT been able to attract any new investors. It isn't So much that they are losing money due to lawsuits or court settlements, but rather the issue with investment companies not wanting to be associated or previous companies that are backing away and distancing themselves.

    The sad part is that the bushmaster rifle involved didn't go off on its own, Remington didn't program it to walk in to a location and shoot people, but they are somehow responsible in the eye of public opinion now days. They will continue to stick around and probably be back better than ever.
    except what is in RED, it should state in the eyes of MORONS that believes it is the guns fault that these terrible things happening in today society !!!

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    I'm willing to bet a red pop they will still be around in the future.
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    They have not kept up with competition. With several other manufacturers offering 1MOA guarantee's on there products who are you going to buy from? Remington offer's you nothing except that the gun will fire. Even Browning is stepping up there game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EWS View Post
    I don't like seeing this, but it is all super rich people shifting monies. I was given 1970s 700 30-60 that after $300 is a 1/2 MOA and groups 0.25". I still have my high school 870 express that I could use as a shovel hand and dove hunt with if I needed to as well.

    Bullet diameter is .308...0.25 groups...I would say.....impressive
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    I would say that the MOA argument does have some validity to it. One big push right now is that everyone seems to want to get involved in "Long Range Shooting". Remington has not pushing theirselves into this long range platform that is all the rage right now. That isn't to say that I couldn't take a standard off the shelf model 700 and turn it in to a long range weapon that will equal anything out there, but rather the fact that it isn't offered "off the shelf" as other companies have done. This makes it "easier" for people. On the flip side, once purchased, they can no longer blame the gun when they cannot put 3 round in a 2inch circle at 200 yards (or 1 inch at 100 yards).

    As a trained Marine Corps sniper and marksmenship training instructor, I can say with pretty good certainty that the average joe rifleman cannot shoot sub MOA groups at 100 yards regardless of the rifle he is holding. That isn't in a bench secured vise or a caldwell leadsled. But, by taking the "gun" out of the eqaution, people are more apped to pick something up off the shelf knowing that it already has the potential to do something as opposed to trying to make something do it without realizing that it is the shooter and not the gun in a lot of instances.

    Another issue has to do with their bushmaster lineup. The number one purchased rifle in America at the present time is the AR platform. Unfortunately, the Bushmaster name has been associated with garbage or bottom of the barrel. They are competing with larger, bigger and better names. So, when you are not selling even a small percentage of the largest piece of pie taken out of the gun market, you can see where the economics can quickly shift. Sure, you can sell shotguns, you can sell rifles, but, when you cannot sell a small percentage of the largest and most popular weapon being sold today, you are losing money.

    Their issue has been that they have not kept up with the times like other companies have. The older generation (myself included) already owns several weapons. Rifles in several different calibers, tons of different shotguns, muzzle loaders, pistols etc... We don't need to purchase the same old things. We are looking for specifics. The new generation of purchaser is where they are going to make a gross sum of their money. Unfortunately, when you are not doing the two things mentioned above, then you are not appealing to the younger generation that is purchasing weapons today.

    They have a pistol lineup but, unfortunately, nobody has really heard of it. Looking at it right now, they are not really doing anything WELL. The number one selling pistol is NOT a Remington (or top 20 for that matter). The number one selling platform (AR) is NOT a bushmaster (or 10 for that matter), and the number one selling long range rifle is not a Remington (which isn't to say they don't make quality rifles because they do), you have problems. Heck, even the shotgun line is up for debate and, as a form of entertainement, the younger generation simply isn't getting into the sport of trap and skeet.

    What's the answer? Go back to doing what you did well and stick to it. Then make it better. Get rid of the bushmaster lineup or create something new and different. Throw your pistols in the toilet and go back to the drawing board. Make your shotguns rival the better ones on the market, and recapture your rifle lineup. Stop trying to introduce 100 poorly made products and instead, introduce 1 or 2 exceptional ones. When you have too many rifles in your inventory, a person will simply look at all of them, scratch their heads, and go purchase a sub MOA weapon from someone else because they cannot figure out which gun to purchase in the Remington lineup.
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    That was well put. I haven't had a Remington that would not shoot a MOA with the right handloads. With that being said, I have not bought on in 15 years either. The ones I have do the job, so I haven't bought any new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltarat View Post
    That was well put. I haven't had a Remington that would not shoot a MOA with the right handloads. With that being said, I have not bought on in 15 years either. The ones I have do the job, so I haven't bought any new ones.
    You and me both! I would put one of my 700's against some of the best custom rifles I had in the Marine Corps. That said, most of our rifles of yesteryear (the M40A1,2,3 up to around 8 at this point) were all built with model 700 actions.
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